Whether you choose to believe it or not, youre actually part of the problem. My lady, you are so fine that I want to have your baby. With Discovery now firmly planted in the distant future, Paradise notes the importance of ensuring that that show remains connected to the larger Star Trek universe through well-placed references . Like a lot of people, she pivoted and found herself in a new role as teacher. The problem is, very deep into his 80s, and theres still chatter about him playing the action hero. It is constantly exposing the never ending struggle of smart and talented woman of color. Its been a continuing book series since 2009 and still going. That is not anything to diss. However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. It just came to me and wanted your opinion. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. The very basis of Star Trek is in direct conflict with people like that. I realize there are people who like his quirks. Anyway it was just a thought. Shes a badly conceived written and conceived character theyve desperately tried to bolster. It is not OK to be overweight. That one ship generates more energy than present-day Earths entire human energy expenditure, generates its own artificial gravity, and violates causality routinely. So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. Maybe having had to step up to the plate before she was ready I think she intellectually knows that she didnt fail, and that its not her fault that Osyraa took the ship, she didnt have all the information, but I still think the fact that that she took command and somehow lost the ship would be an enormous blow to her confidence and make her question a lot of stuff. That said, the stolid approach to characterization has its benefits as well when an emotional outburst happens it can be devastating (see: Picards breakdowns in the likes of Family, Chain of Command, First Contact), but it also allows for subtler moments to have outsized impacts (Odo asking Garak to breakfast, Seven revealing her favorite color, Picards 1/4 smiles when no one is looking, Spocks eyebrow etc), which is also quite true to life. Im glad you figured out what works for you, but Im not cool with a Star Trek board in 2021 focusing on an actors weight or appearance, especially when its a man commenting on a womans weight. Some of us dont grasp the very basic foundation of what Star Trek is all about!? Do I want to be Barclay or Harry Kim? But respect is always earned and never enforceable. Lets stick with the science and not target individuals. Tilly looks great and her weight is a not a issue. Thats undeniable. Mary Wiseman is sending the message that your body is your own, your responsibility, and nobody elses business, not any sort of health and fitness message. Well said, Edward. I hate the body shaming of actresses Theres recently was yet another fanboy arse-hat bloger who on their twitter account made an unkind comment about Mary/Tilly regarding her weight. Weight gain from thyroid issues, anti depressants, steroids, is a fairly small percent of the population. It was so fun. Smart doesnt mean competent. When all evidence points to her character not being loved or even liked (the actress is fine; shes been poorly handled by the writers (Michelle Paradise). And its funny that you bring up needing constant therapy as a bad thing when a ton of real life people see a therapist on a regular basis. That sort of thing contributes to some pretty hardcore dysmorphia sure, they are famous and have luxuries and money so many of us dont, but hearing stories like how Carrie Fisher was told she should lose weight to be able to reprise Leia, or how Kumail Nanjani is scarily fixated on his physical appearance now is sad. I LOVE the future! But Barclay is just irritating as hell. Thematic darkness is fine but graphic visuals arent. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. By: TrekMovie.com Staff Plenty of curvy ladies are quite healthy and active. advantage. Tilly is a wonderful incarnation of our inner geekdom, a person you would find at conventions or in fanfiction I love this character so much because she isnt perfect. And tons dont. PS. For someone who is supposed to care about others, shes been remarkably stuck in her own emotions. There are still things that bother me about the new trek too. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. And I want to take care of me so I can continue to be me. I see other people mentioning the books on Reddit and Youtube because of the new show obviously. Jealous and insecure,they can only feel better by putting others down. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, only two of which were as a ranked officer, they think shes somehow ready to train the next generation of recruits?! I did, though. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. Mary Wiseman: That experience affects her so much this season. Mary Wiseman (born July 30, 1985) is an American actress. She is absolutely beautiful just as she is. But admittedly, its pretty close. The Delta Quadrant is a dangerous place, and the remnants of species and societies that survived around the edges of the Borg network and incursions were harsh and justifiably skeptical of the Federations. That promise was. Its odd that the bridge crew still feels in the background although they are being used more. Mary Wiseman as Captain Killy in Terra Firma, Part 2. This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. She is full of self doubt, guilt, and anxiety, yet she doesnt quit. Lwaxana sometimes I dont mind her simply because she puts Picard and Odo on their back feet, but she was very OTT on shows that didnt really have a lot of OTT characters, and there was little reason for her to keep appearing on DS9 beyond reverence towards Majel Barrett. Its could have (or couldve). It is one thing to be healthy and quite another to be reed-thin and healthy. DS9 Avatar books 1 and 2 were quite good and helpfully kicked off the DS9 Relaunch sequence. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. I always have to correct it, so its not terribly efficient. Everyone in the world do not look and act the same if it was for me, it would be a very boring uninterested world. but it looks like she did simply did it because she was her friend and room mate. As long as Wesley Crusher exists she will always be in a race for that title. But because of Discovery we have Lower Decks, Picard, Prodigy, Strange New Worlds, Short Treks, possibly Section 31 and the Academy show. Ive learned a lot of bad spelling comes from dictating into your smartphone. And the only family she has is on that ship. I would not say it isnt a valid creative decision to try this approach, especially in an age where we are emphasizing the need for self-care, its just not to my taste. By: TrekMovie.com Staff Story: With . The fourth episode of the new season of Star Trek: Discovery ("All is Possible") arrived this morning and it has fans buzzing about Lt. Sylvia Tilly. There are admittedly quite a few other Starfleet officers Scotty and Riker, for example who prove that being chunky is still a thing in the future. There is also the issue that a crew needing constant therapy sessions while regularly saving the galaxy is not an easy narrative trick to pull off. I would encourage her to do the same. Sigh all you like, but thats not going to magically make physics and biology work differently. Well second most after Burnam , she was fine in season 1 and 2.past 2 seasons theyve rushed her character developmentsame with michael.the vulcan minded human became human real fast. I believe we can thank Mack for helping the Showrunners and writers identify species that would work in Prodigy and for some deep cuts. I really liked her in the first season. Book is Han Solo. I recall when Trek featured a French captain with an English accent. Thank you, Trek Movie Staff, for sharing my interview with your readers and providing a link to Forbes.com! Unless you want to count Ezri Dax she was a therapist but I dont believe she heald a high ranking command position. Rather than shaming them or acting like there are only a few kinds of women worth aspiring to be. Tilly (Mary Wiseman) leads the stranded Starfleet cadets to safety. All you ever do on this board is show up and attack womxn for being womxn, LBGTQ+ for being LBGTQ+, people of color for being people of color. Since season one, Tilly (Mary Wiseman). Its not SMGs fault of course, its just the way she has be written throughout the series. "Hope springs eternal" was the central thesis for Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale . In fact, thats all the Discovery crew is qualified as in the 32nd century. She went away and supposedly became an amazing well rounded person. Everyone has their gifts. Tilly is justannoying. Body shaming is just another category of bullying, with the same general goal of the shamer making him/herself feel superior by putting down others around them, rather than elevate him/herself with goodwill and compassion. Why do you think being nervous or anxious means that you can not graduate from the academy? Hahahaha! The last novel just came out last year (where does she find the time lol). At the other end, underweight is also unhealthy and associated with other risks, but gets less negative attention in entertainment. When I was around 12 I used to eat peanut butter and drink Ensure, a meal replacement drink, before I went to sleep. She is most recognized for her roles in the science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery on Paramount+, where she first played Cadet, then Ensign, and finally . But the show almost seems to go out of its way every season for some of the dumbest story points you can think of. You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. #StarTrekDiscovery #MirrorLandry pic.twitter.com/Ed0nbToiQH, Rekha the leaves (@TheRekhaSharma) December 19, 2020. Yes I forgot David Mack is a consultant on this show too and is well aware of all the post-Nemesis stories in the novels. Just like every other character in a show that generally is badly written. At the end of season three, I felt that she became captain not because she had earned it, but because the time had run out on the series plan for her promotion. I dont believe any of the other series had a therapist on the bridge. Fitness may be in the eye of the beholder, as hes commented himself that contempories his age have to hit the head just a bit more often. I think Mary is doing a fantastic job as isSonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. Sonequa Martin-Green as Burnham hugging Mary Wiseman as Tilly in Coming Home. Its very possible Mary Wiseman wanted off the show, or needed a bit of a break. (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. The character. David Ajala: I think its made Cleveland Booker even more attracted to Michael Burnham because I think he looks and goes Oh, scrumptious. Obesity and overweight are associated with health chronic issues by definition. Because Book is someone who doesnt just have cerebral, intellectual intelligence. And Im even more embarrassed by this, but Ive never watched any of the Stargate shows. Along with this, the biggest thing that Michael aided Tilly with was her confidence. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. Internationally, the series is available on Paramount+ in Australia, Latin America and the Nordics, and on Pluto TV in Austria, France, Germany . Someone with a lack of intelligence throws a race card at every debate. Mention one thing or person loved by EVERYBODY. Diplomacy? That was always the theory I had for Barclay. And to be honest, she never really helped him out all that much. Just underused. That finale appearance was basically a cameo. Star Trek: Discovery streams exclusively on CBS All Access in the United States and is distributed concurrently by CBS Studios . She never wouldve made it through the Academy. Respectfully, to anyone somehow offended by that. 1:15. Im sure nearly everyone of the crew of TNG had issues and problems. The other big issue Ive always had is the graphic nature of violence, this We are TV-MA streaming, so we can do anything attitude I simply hate that. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. Just IMHO, because to each his (or her, or their) own! The 60s/70s are gone. Sort of the same way Spock stayed first officer in the movies to Kirk although he was a captain for five of those films. Only showing up for briefings when that specialty was needed for that particular situation. Barclays ticks do get really annoying. For your own good, please seek help. Typical. Being encouraged to eat only what ones body needs is another thing entirely. However, we do know that David Mack does. Makes sense. Why did they do that? Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. David, Can we expect any surprising uses of the special things that Book can do in season four, now that he can control the spore drive? Eh, only in some particular parts of the internet. I never felt that what has come before should define the franchise in the future. Im sure many may NOT be a Janeway but could at least look at her and say thats what I aspire to be. Everybody loves is an idiom, it should never be taken as a strict statement. Definitely not a dig at the actress, she is only delivering what the directors and producers have asked her to deliver. However, I do struggle with popular media normalizing unhealthy weights whether over or underweight because they are health risks. In every real-life Trekkie community Im a part of, as well as most online, shes loved. Hes been very creative in using callbacks and interweaving eras in his own work. Season 4 sees Sonequa Martin-Green's, Michael Burnham, return with her. Ive finally had the chance to reply to your comment about Lue Elizondo etc on the other thread. Or are you only a troll if you criticize something about Discovery? Her character of Cadet Tilly in Star Trek Discovery is warm and positive. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. I do not endorse body-shaming in any way, as I was bullied as a kid years ago. (80's for ya) He also has emotional intelligence. All those wonderful things that dont make you a good human being. You had a variety of body shapes on discovery Tilly was thick. So many reasons to be critical of Disco plot holes, awful sense of morals, missed opportunities, etc. I think criticism of the actors is wrong as well, its not about the actors its what they have been told deliver. I guess some people would rather the perfect people of TNG than anyone that mirrors back anything they dont want to see in themselves. However, even if the Academy series moves forward, it likely wouldnt go into production in 2022 or even 2023, leaving plenty of time for Tilly to appear in season five of Discovery. She hopped over those 900 years. First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. I have to agree. I think that she is one of the go-to people when there is hard science stuff to crack. She isnt back on Discovery. Tilly, played by Mary Wiseman on Star Trek Discovery is not pregnant. Tillys anxiety got old real fast. Thats the thing about DSC. I notice that for whatever reason certain words will trigger the language to switch to French on my phone, and then I have to go back and correct everything. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. I know everyone is different but for me, once I hit my mid-30s my metabolism slowed down, so I had to cut back on the amount of food I ate compared to when I was 25. I know Gene Rodenberry never wanted Starfleet to be portrayed as a military outfit, but this has gone so far in the opposite direction that its being run like a pre-school participation awards ceremony. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. I dont love her the way I love Saru or Pike, or Janeway or Seven or Picard or Spock. The future doesnt have a preferred accent. I just dont remember if it was something I read years ago or if it was in an interview with Gene. In season three Tilly was first officer and then acting captain; how does all of that affect who she is in season four? Mary Wiseman is a beautiful lady as is Sonequa Martin-Green. I wanted to be bigger and I spent much of my childhood, adolescence and even into my young adulthood doing all kinds of things to get bigger. She laughs at the memory. Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. You cant be a Star Trek fan and also be a racist or a body shamer. She only graduated from SA herself at the end of season 1. This week's episode raised concerns. The door is open, I suppose, if that show should fail for some reason, but I doubt theyll just throw her back into the same role on the ship like nothing ever happened. Except that would imply that her being there was the exception rather than the rule. Im sorry but what youve described about Tilly is like something out of a Nickelodeon teen high school drama. And if people are critical of her because her appearance does not meet their expectations, they dont really have a clue of what Star Trek is all about. You misunderstood. She is super meta. How does Tillys scientific mind come into play in solving the crisis of the anomaly in season four? Having Tilly be one was justdumb. Mary Wiseman said in an interview after her departing episode that she'd be back before the end of the season. Mary Wiseman: That that could be a very powerful person in the Mirror Universe. Its gotten very stale now. Every woman is very beautiful. Contents 1 Early life 2 Starfleet career 2.1 USS Discovery 2.1.1 The war 2.1.2 Post-war 2.1.3 32nd century 3 Personal relationships 3.1 Friendships Harry wasnt annoying watching him was just sad :-D. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. So I was also just very excited for the fans. But the characters are pitch perfect. Body shaming is wrong and immature. In large part that is down to getting set in my ways with this franchise, so I have to temper my critiques with that knowledge. I have nothing against Mary Wiseman. Neither she nor anyone else with common sense is celebrating obesity. Between 2011 through 2015, she attended Juilliard School's Drama Division, where one of her students was future Star Trek: Discovery actress Mary Chieffo. However, Tilly's rise to Lieutenant in Thursday's episode of Star Trek: Discovery did not invoke feelings of joy. None of those thinks make a lick of sense. Thats not good writing, its oandering fan fiction, Starfleet is not military. Funny enough, I have never had a problem with Wesley. But was it not made pretty clear that Counselors had become a regular thing on command crews in the TNG era? She brings so much heart to the show. My best advice is to give some of the Litverse books a try and decide for yourself which writers appeal to you. However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. And others opinions dont factor in. Not Mary Wisemans fault; the writers fault. They basically wrote her off the show! But then again Im not a troll. I think Saru will just be the surrogate first officer again although he is now a captain. And if youre able to use that against someone, that could be very, very dangerous. If they wont act a woman should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). Episodes will be. Its been sooo inconsistent from day one. That is why you never saw councelors on any other class ship. Sonequa is a great actress. Disco has a lot of problems storywise But not her looks! 89. That said, I know people can be cruel and I am even worried bringing up this topic for fear of the idiot fringe piling on, but I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. It doesnt matter either way but with so much Voyager mythology created in those novels, it would be cool to see some of it translated on this show! Key difference in thinking, and it makes all the difference in the big picture! Good for her, and I love the character! Have to completely agree you T2. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). Whereas Tilly is an oh shes just like me and validates all my insecurities so its ok to be as I am. Yet, she is. She gets up in the morning and lives with a purpose, helping her crewmates, and ready to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary. I see them as similar. Ill never forget when I, a woman of 160# at 58, healthy, deemed fit by military and bodyfat percentage indexes, approached the Credit Union one day, when the guy at the ATM finished his transaction, turned, saw me, and yelled Hey, fatass!. Full Circle is pretty dark in some ways. I for one have always had to watch my weight and I still wage the battle to this day. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. Hey writers room go back to TNG and see how a child became an honourary bridge officer on the Enterprise D. (something equally puzzling to say the least) Picard did it because the Traveller who could traverse space time and see the future and past told Picard it was extremely important to encourage the boy. Sick and tired of T and A being the main focus. My personal opinion is, if you see ribs in their low decolletage, they are probably not so healthy. Shes responsible for her subordinates and to lead by example. She seems to be a lovely human being and all that in real life but her acting is not the best. Right!? How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? You can absolutely argue that DISCO incorporates too much emotion with their characters (something I agree with to an extent), but I do appreciate how much more real these characters feel compared to past characters (especially in the early seasons of TNG). As for the debate about sending the message being overweight is good: the heart of the issue is that everybodys body is their own, not health and physical fitness. In a Paramount+ featurette (which you can see below) about the making of the episode, Wiseman talks about how Tilly has changed: Coming back for the finale was really exciting for me because she comes back in this fully black Starfleet suit.

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