JavaScript is disabled. #1789892 - 01/10/11 11:59 PM Re: 55 v-max and varget in bolt action .223 [Re: SShooterZ] DoubleUp Die Hard Member with a . For the .223, I loaded 24.5 grains with the Speer 52 grain BTHP match bullets for about 2850 fps and started shooting 1/2" groups in my Ruger 77 long Range Rifle with very little experimenting. IMR 4198 is a fast-burning rifle powder great for cartridges like the 222 Rem, 221 Fireball, 45-70, and 450 Marlin. 225 V RIFLE RELOADING DATA These barrels offer good accuracy with 35- to 55-grain, lead-core bullets that include popular varmint and match designs. I have burned a lot of IMR 4198 in the 223 under a 50gr V-Max. Google" port pressure ar15" Location and size of the port has a direct effect. 19.8 grains gave me better accuracy than the loads I had charged with W748 and the same projectiles. I will try and remember to post the results here in case anyone else was wondering the same thing. Traditionally, it propels a 55-grain bullet at 3,240 fps a notable increase in velocity and effective range when compared to the .222 Remington. 0000001080 00000 n For several reasons, this cartridge was not accepted by the military, but Remington chose to introduce it commercially as the .222 Remington Magnum in 1957-1958. Posts: 2203. ONE IS JESUS CHRIST, FOR YOUR SOUL, AND THE OTHER IS THE AMERICAN SOLDIER, FOR YOUR FREEDOM. of muzzle energy and really puts the Hornady Leverevoltion to shame. I am using a 55 grain Hornady FMJ bullet with Sellier and Bellot small rifle primers. Hodgdon IMR 4198 smokeless rifle powder is just the fast burning propellant you'll want for small bore varmint shooter rifle cartridges. If I find a bad one, I check the rest and put any that fail to fit the gauge aside. But than again not knowing what you use for a powder measure'r ? The load data says a min of 18.8 grains up to a maximum of 20.4. Using this powder with .223 caliber has yielded great results. Thats the energy source required to retract the bolt, extract the fired case, and self-load another round from the magazine. 243, although I agree it's a port pressure issue . I have only shot 4198 in bolt guns, but there is no reason the ammunition would not work well in ARs. Burn rates range from IMR 4198 (fastest) to CFE 223 (slowest). Don't know how things stand today but the 5.56mm round was originally developed with a stick powder very much like IMR4198. However, in direct-impingement ARs, the gas port diameter and how far its located along the barrel are fixed. le-de-France is densely populated and . I would consult your Hornady manual and the IMR reloading database on their website and compare the load data, and use the loads listed for 55gr .223 for all of your brass. A very fun round to shot and easy for my daughter to handle. IMR 4198 for .223 / 5.56 questions. Doing some load development for the Savage Axis 223. IMR4198 and a 52gr. Using bullets from Nosler BT LF, Barnes VG FB, Nosler BT, SinterFire, Sierra SP, Speer SP, Sierra HP, Barnes TSX FB, Hornady FMJ, Hornady V-Max, Swift Scirocco, Sierra HPBT, JLK VLD, Sierra MK, Berger BT Targ. Lighter bullets may be seated to a shorter COL, whereas the heavier (longer) bullets tend to fill up the extended NATO-spec chamber throat/leade. Select data that corresponds with a rifles twist rate to achieve top performance. Auburn, WA - Man who tried to steal running car shot by homeowner. Although if I were to reload for a AR. trailer << /Size 86 /Info 51 0 R /Root 54 0 R /Prev 76483 /ID[<8a45f2eb061f912c269257afb89d4f83>] >> startxref 0 %%EOF 54 0 obj << /Type /Catalog /Pages 50 0 R /Metadata 52 0 R >> endobj 84 0 obj << /S 81 /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 85 0 R >> stream Proven metering and necessary elements were added to make it extremely insensitive to hot/cold temperatures. I think this is an excellent powder and will continue to use it for my 45-70 reloading. You must log in or register to reply here. }"tP2q4M.03#b[s0j;KR 8frU_Gu{s-i>MC>SHjBZi\jy%+1 dUv@GqZa\^(,=z+CM&D([k:fd;(\h u-7 )K HWECcQtRUFxpVRF6C&sh^z.FE_OS 2{emCAE- 6H']nbSn]$6}arsR$^7Uu~2Jed!$P)h+Le?~9Wce7 *+]-t `Ll4 g`50& d;{iCm={k4?|(z8qnXomaIAx I just purchased 8lbs of H4198 and I read that it works great for my .308 has anyone tried this behind a Nosler 168 grain bullet? E,)Y~.x7 )J7_Kz~O]OX8y'b.w`6HQ#R4u ( Another one is IMR 4198 (21.6gr.) We need to get one thing straight. Subscriber Services. CAUTION: The following post includes load data generated by calculation in QuickLOAD software based on a particular powder lot, the assumption the primer is as mild as possible, and assumptions about component, chamber and gun geometry that may not correspond well to what you have. Remember, I am talking about bolt rifles. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. many years ago long before I had any interest in AR-15s, has reams of 223 Rem. I was down to the bottom of the can of my old supply and was very happy to be able to get a new supply from you. Back in the (other) bad old days of shortages I had also made up a run of 200 rounds of 55 grain FMJ and put them through a mini-14 without a hiccup. Around 1959, the .222 Special was renamed the .223 Remington to prevent confusion, but it was not introduced commercially until December 1963 in the Remington Model 760 pump-action rifle and was soon chambered in other rifles. JavaScript is disabled. . One of the three most accurate rifles I ever owned. I had a 222 and it was.amazing in that cartridge. Have not got a chance to shoot this powder yet but I do have a bunch of charges weighed up and I must say while weighting it out the consistency of the powder looks great. I had some, didn't like it. When loading for a 5.56 NATO-chambered AR, the COL is restricted to 2.260 inches. It's barely on the edge to have enough gas to cycle the actions. I take my grandson out shilooting every weekend and load up a hundred rounds of 223 every week for him. I take factory rounds out each time to verify it cycles correctly. I chose two of my favorite 223 Rem. The selection of suitable powders for handloading the .223 Remington is huge, with some developed specifically to optimize .223 performance. 0000012032 00000 n Extreme spread was .473, subtracting .223, and I have a .250 group! IMR 4198 isn't the best powder for 69 gr. I shot a lot of it in .222 back in the '70s before I graduated to .22-250. POWDERS. Have found it to be pretty accurate in my Rem model 7. All these have offered complete penetration on broadside shots. Ive weighed several hundred pieces having various headstamps and concluded, in most cases, the difference in ballistic performance is negligible. If you choose this route, dont get aggressive and recut the pockets too much. Just a note that if you research using IMR or H4198 you will find it's the most problematic powder for reloading AR's. His load was 4198, 19.5 grains and a 52 grain hollow point flat base bullet of unknown manufacture. Metered beautifully, at the charges I was using, it was very dirty. I had about 250 pieces of Lake City (LC) 5.56 NATO brass already prepped and ready to load. Location and size of the port has a direct effect. I'd move on from that powder to H-335 , IMR 8208xbr or 4895 , AR-comp , Varget , RL-15 the list goes on of powders that will cycle your action even at there start loads . IMR 4198 is a GREAT powder for the 223.. bullet weights of 65 grains and under.. if it isn't accurate in your gun ( I'm a bolt action guy).. its not the powder.. its your gun or the shooter. I used it briefly in 223, as for 4227, it was very promising accuracy wise with 300 grainers, but i um, did something dumb with the last pound I had. I have used IMR-3031 with 55gr Sierra HPBT, 55gr Hornady SP, and 55gr Hornady V-Max with charges in the 25gr-26gr range with CCI BR-4 primers. Thanks for the help guys. I loaded ammunition with a variety of bullets, including the Hornady 55- and 60-grain Spire Points (w/o cannelure), 55-grain GMX, Nosler 60-grain Partition, 55-grain Trophy Bonded and Barnes 50-, 53- and 55-grain Triple-Shock X-Bullet, with each producing excellent results. 0000001760 00000 n Using N-133 and the same bullets, the best combination came at 25.6gr. For example, most bullet manufacturers offer highly frangible varmint bullets that give near-explosive results on thin-skinned pests such as ground squirrels and prairie dogs. Scott Rupp gets a chance to talk to Aaron Oelger about a few new products from Hodgdon and why reloading store shelves are empty. I also built some specialty 223 Rem. External specifications of the two cartridges are identical and can be handloaded with the same dies; however, the 5.56 pressures are measured 1mm forward of the case mouth rather than on the case body. (pushing 68gr BTHP's) I was using H335 for the 55gr bullets (around 22gr). Of course I never got the 55gr bullet to work well in the 222 Rem either. When you get over 300gn I shoot 70-73gn of H4198 and will try H322 and IMR 3031 today. Your CFE 223 is more efficient for 69 gr. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Good luck and best wishes. Redmon adjusts COL so his test rounds will just fit the chamber and then incrementally reseats each five-round batch 0.010 deeper (up to 0.2 inch), searching for that special sweet spot. When shooting his handloads, he single loads each round in a rifle, so COL isnt limited by the rifles magazine length. I need about 25 rounds per "match" with 1 or 2 matches per week for league shooting. If just a pound , I'd give up on it and just get some H-335 and never look back . Toggle menu. While .224-inch thick bullet selection for the .223 Remington is broad and typically ranges in weight from 35 to 90 grains, terminal performance varies. Single-metal bullets. Begin with start loads and work up carefully to maximum powder charges while checking for signs of excess pressure. More about them later. Compressed charges of slower-burn-rate propellants are more compatible with loading heavier bullets. I do use IMR 4198, but in 45-70 gov't. Have many loads sub MOA .223 Remington and 308 rifles. 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Anybody use something like a 223 bolt action to practice at the range instead of always using their larger caliber hunting rifle? He said it was loaded for his T/C pistol and he sold the pistol and forgot to give the guy the ammo. I went down to 46.6 and web expansion is at .0015, which indicates high pressure. My go to for .444 and .45-70. Play with it, you might find that magical combination. The kernels were shortened to improve metering and necessary elements were added to make it insensitive to hot or cold temperatures. . Buy Powder - IMR 4198 - 1lb: GunBroker is the largest seller of Reloading Supplies Ammunition Reloading All: 973169941. . In my Savage 10FP 1-10" twist my go to load is the 52 gr SMK with 19.8 gr of 4198 . Accurate Arms 2230 would be my preferred for those quick moving gas operated AR bolts shooting a 55 gr bullet seated in Federal brass. Savage 10 FCP-K 223 Rem Law Enforcement Bolt Action Rifle. CFE 223. For more information, go towww.P65Warnings.ca.gov. Exactly what I was looking for for my 52 and 53 grain rounds. I have an 8lb sealed jug of 4198 that I won't use. I think I got it for 45-70 but never used it. Ive walked the walk, and now I want to share what Ive learned. I only wish it was more ready available. Do that by experimenting. Starting at 20.7g, and going up in .5g i. I load 223 in my ar with either cfe 223 for the fmj loads and blc(2) for my varmint and sp loads. The Remington Model Seven is ready, willing and able to handle just about any task. ]/S2 YeWB4b.h^$gs:DEYxj*QKihk:I"NIGTpc=MC}S2IjSi8oo;aIf"! I don't like how Hornady splits up the 223/5. Examples include the Hornady 53- grain V-MAX with a G1 BC of .290, the Nosler 55-grain Ballistic Tip (.267 BC) and Sierra 55-grain BlitzKing (.271 BC). However, I can come close to the published maximums in any of my rifles, even the 26" barreled M-70. JavaScript is disabled. Sierra lists different maximums between bolt & autos. Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. Mediocre accuracy and velocity combined with lousy metering in the powder measure. In checking commercial .223 Remington cases from Federal, Hornady, NoslerCustom, Remington and Winchester, weights varied from 89.5 to just under 95 grains. In spite of the .223 Remingtons name, standard bullet diameter is .224-inch. Developing safe and reliable handloads in a bolt-action rifle is less complicated than it is for a gas-operated autoloader. Trim to length as needed, clean/uniform the primer pockets, reprime, charge with powder, verify powder charges, seat bullets to specific overall length, perform final inspection, box, and label. With the changes made to military loads and the 5.56 NATO cartridge by 1980, the rifling twist of mil-spec AR rifles was changed to 1:7 to better accommodate ammunition that contained heavier bullets. Try this? Great powder. Click the Sierra icons here Hodgdon MSDS on the new powder. xHXY%p m^_l +me} C'~af,[sgP I found this powder to burn clean an not much residue left in the barrel, I really like it. That was a long time ago. Have tried 4198. 0000002396 00000 n My AR is a 16" Bushmaster M4 chambered in 5.56. Old Dupont IMR 4198 can be loaded to 21.5 gr with 55gr bullets. IMR 4198 - This fast burning rifle powder gives outstanding performance in cartridges like the .222 Remington, .221 Fireball, .45-70, and .450 Marlin. Reloading data for 29 loads in caliber. You might be able to chamber that round in your bolt gun by forcing the bolt to close, but youll likely jam the action in an AR that the forward assist cant overcome. It is a bit too fast for optimum results with heavier bullets. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. It is a stick powder as previously mentioned. Despite this, most of the powders used . I worked up a load for a Barnes 55gr HP with 4198 this weekend. I've been having excellent results with some very old IMR 4198 and Nosler 40 grain Ballistic tip bullets in my 11.5" SBR. Rick, Your 24.7gr of H4198 with the 39 & 40 is 2.2 gr more powder than Hodgdon recommends for the 33gr bullet. Also, I read that it works great with my .223. Let me know Thanks! 21.8 grs 3,000 ft/sec in 11.5" BCM 1 in 7 CL, 22.1 grs 3,397 ft/sec in 18" Rock Creek 1 in 8 melonited fired suppressed. imr 4198 for 223 bolt action. I believe, I am what is keeping it from its full potential. 4198 produces very accurate ammunition in the .223 (and .222) for 55 grain bullets and lighter. I used IMR4198 in my wife's 222 Rem, and have tried it in cast bullet guns from 22 Hornet to 45/70. Nonetheless, their average water capacity was almost the same as the combined average of the weighed commercial brass. Thats the major consideration when selecting compatible components. 4198 is a fast burning powder, and you will get piston "short stroking" in an AR which will cause FTF issues. Its best to weed out any irregular cartridges to avoid problems later. IMR 4198 POWDER For Reloading 223. Of course, Hodgdon provides load data for every bullet weight theyve tested with all compatible propellants yielding safe and reliable ballistic data. Meters well, burns clean. 0000001516 00000 n I use a lot of Varget in my WW2 era bolt rifles, have been going to work up a load using it in 223. Maybe you'll have no issues but lot's do with 4198 powders in AR's. Sierra Pro-Hunter 150 gr. Because burning propellant has only one purpose in a bolt gunto propel the bullet out of the barrel. Varmint shooters with small-bore cartridges love it. Bolt Action Rifles; Lever Action Rifles; Pump Action Rifles; Semi Auto Rifles; Single Shot Rifles; Other Rifles; Shotguns. Examples include Ramshot TAC (left) and Accurate 2015 (right). Ive had good luck using the RCBS crimp remover tool mounted on the companys powered case-prep center. Extremely versatile powder . I've always used both 4895 powders for my military bolt guns, but have heard it gives good results in the 223/5.56 caliber. The Sierra data seems more on line with what I have seen elsewhere, so I will start with their min. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. Their was a run on powder and primers just like the old days during the ammo shortage. Albert Einstein". handloads with lightweight 40-grain varmint bullets and HP38, Trail Boss, and CFE Pistol. Provides very best accuracy in my Cooper 38 in 17 Fireball with 25 grain Berger HP varmint bullets, about 1/2 MOA at 3.600 FPS. Like a bolt gun, an AR has hard physical features, but the design and operation are more complex. It cycles perfectly with factory ammo, so I do not feel it is anything with the gun. First powder I used in the .223 and good for making some accurate loads, but maybe a little fast for the cartridge. Never a problem. Why? 223 Rem 55g Vmax; Varget & IMR 4198 16,412 views Jan 6, 2018 153 Dislike Share 243 Outdoors 8.13K subscribers Testing some 55g V-Max handloads in the 223 Savage Axis. Clean and inspect the cases, lube and full-length resize/decap, clean, and inspect them again. My experience shows, generally speaking, the faster-burn-rate choices work better with bullets weighing up to 60 grains. IMR 3031 Smokeless Powder Smokeless Powder IMR Powder Co. IMR 3031 1 Container Approximate net weight 1lb. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Shooter's Reference Load Data for .223 Remington .223 Remington - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Hornady #16 Lee #4 Lyman #26 RCBS #10 Recipe Type: Rifle 55,000 PSI STANDARD SAAMI COMMERCIAL SPECIFICATIONS Pistol CUSTOM LONG THROAT Reduced Load Bullet Weight: ALL 30 gr 34 gr 35 gr 36 gr 40 gr 42 gr 43 gr 45 gr 50 gr 51 gr 52 gr Some of the gas is divertedbefore the bullet exits the barrelto actuate a piston, carrier, or operating rod. Powder For Sale Northern Indiana (South Bend area). One sighter shot, then 5 shots for group. Great for small and large-bore rifle shooters; Exceptional performance in cartridges like the .222 Remington, .221 Fireball, .45-70, .450 Marlin, and the 7.62 x 39 . My Savage 223 model 110 . IMR-8208 XBR yields excellent accuracy with 69s or 77s. Occasionally, I have experimented with varying bulletseating depth to achieve better groups in my bolt actions, but the really short throat of the 223 Rem. I used it to reload 223 in a ar-15 pistol with a 7.5 in barrel this product did exactly what I wanted it to do it was accurate and velocities were right where I wanted them to be 2200 FPS with a 55 gr bullet this may not be rifle velocity you want but it is good in short barrel ar pistols. Like a lot of others have posted, I used 21.5 with a 55gr FMJ. H4198 worked better than the CFE BLK and would be a good second choice in powder for the 125 gr. but with 55 gr. We do not take backorders and our Tech Services team cannot take orders via email or phone. "If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself." I use IMR 4198 with Sierra Matching 69 gr with very good results. Forum. $975.00 $779.99. Thats not to say its just as easy to stuff a 77-grain bullet into the heaviest case youre reloading atop a full charge of BL-C(2) as it is with the lightest piece of brass in the batch.
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