The south node lies there on the natal composite. My natal Venus conjuncts composite IC and his natal Mars conjuncts composite MC. That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. Sorry, Natalia, I cant really comment on this in the space available. We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. Good luck. In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. The lack of posturing and display of ego gives others the chance to have a "day in the sun," endearing the 12th house sun to the person they gave the chance to shine. It will revolve around sorrow, secrets, fantasies, hidden desires, emotions, and everything that belongs to our little secrets without physical forms. However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than We are fated, but we are meant to part. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. What the twelfth house demands of us always is that we give the ego a rest, but often challenges regarding the ego are exactly what we have to face with twelfth house planets. What is your thought on this. I don know what to do. The Inner Wheel Recommended Astrology Reading Lists, Crucible and the Wheel: The Transiting Nodes Series. I am reasonably happy in my 3+ year marriage, and yet, I still miss my former boyfriend desperately sometimes. This will tell you the energy sounding the ending. However, humans are imperfect, and complete faith is hard to keep up all of the time. Learn how your comment data is processed. Could I ask Your opinion? I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. Well, his descendant point, and his ascendant ruler both conjunct my natal Lilith in my12 th house, orb2. Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. We are happy when were together but he took a job 2 hours away and moved into our country house which I have now come to hate. Is there something to be read from this cluster of planets in 12th house? I think the fact that were both artists gave this aspect an outlet. Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood. Since each of us share a natal 12th house dominion, then repeated in a shared composite strength, what you have said in your 12th house explanations all seem to feel so true. Lilith in the 12th House. I mentioned Juno because it has a 1 degree conjunction with the Sun. do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? In Astrology, the planet Venus represents compassion, cooperation, beauty, and the Arts. They have an inner urge to help others but don't know how to help themselves or ask for support. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. Sun conjunct Neptune is a very difficult thing to live with in a composite chart. @ more very amazing thing IF this is still not enough proof: My Moon and Mars conjucts his North Node (fairly tight 2-3 degrees conjuction) His NOrth Node conjucts His own Pluto (good old Pluto might just kill me with his north node conjuction (i wonder if that is the plan here?) Should I pay attention to that or to our individual charts? His sun, mercury and chiron is in the 12 house in his natal chart. A trauma might have triggered you before, making you a reserved person now. Hey Dawn! When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. Although Im aware this is only an illusion of my mind and nothing else , this illusion is so strong and so frequent that I ve at least learned to live with it and Ive given up struggling against it. He literally proposed to me the night we met. If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. venus+mars, etc. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. My 12 is in Leo, along with my Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto. It depends on your Venus ' condition. But someone who tells you they love you every day and tries to break up with you every month is clearly not. I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. Mercury in the first is a good aspect to have because of the communication involved and the ability to think clearly regarding the relationship. Am i trapping my self? (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). Most of my relationships are like that . the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. Talking about Fate! Well it is a living hell right now! We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. He didnt want to commit/marry. We get along very well but our relationship is being kept in secret (which sucks) and the Saturn and Pluto opposite Asc. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. Lord knows I do drive myself crazy with lost love/unrequited love. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. Weve known each other for a decade??? Thank you for such an eloquent understanding, this has helped me. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. It often indicates couples who seem to have a lot of shared experience and shared historyeven if they are new to one another, it feels old. They recognize one another when they meet. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. (excuse my bad English) My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. Aghh! Venus (love) and Mars (sex) in the 7th House are a strong testimony as well. Black Moon Lilith is the geometric point in the sky that marks the furthest point of the moon's orbit around the earth. Look at what sign the 12th house is in. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? A Venus/Mars conjunction in Taurus can be a beautiful thing. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) The romantic nature of the past relationship is more emphasized which planets such as Venus, Mars, or Lilith in the twelfth house. The composite chart is probably the best known. If the Composite Sun is in the 1 st House, there will be a focus on this relationship. So beautifully written Dawn. The romantic synastric analysis is the interaction of houses between two birth charts. But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. Lilith square . The fatedness of it all doesnt make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. Our lives are silly and sublime at once. I am a strong 12th houser myself and it meant so much to me that we could live together and I never felt my precious solitude was infringed upon. One thing Ive noticed with these people is that other people usually notice their . He seems very able to detach himself and move to the future. When synastry presents itself on the Pluto/Node conjunction, the partner to the Pluto person will instigate growth, either from a negative or positive stimulus. I am surprised I did not find it and comment earlier, as I am still haunted by the same relationship 2 years after it ended. The twelfth house is associated with hidden emotions, and Lilith's influence adds an extra layer of complexity to this placement. Thanks. I dont know whether this situation is karma? Comparing composites to the biwheel between two charts is impossible, like comparing apples and oranges. Natal Birth Chart Meaning. We challenge each other to be the best versions of ourselves. I do use the Black Moon Lilith in my composites, but what she represents there is a whole article of its own. I have read at least books regarding the 12th house, and its not easy to comprehend the needs of the 12th. :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? Thank you, Tricia. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. It isnt bad, its difficult. Hi! My natal chart ruler is the Moon and his natal chart ruler is Mars. It doesnt matter. I was with him longer than Ive ever consecutively been with someone- 1 1/2 years. Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? Now I just have to sit and wait around where it is got to leave us! oh gosh do not i know this! We are mainly connected by a love of art, music and film. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? My progressed Uranus will be in my 7th house for the rest of my life. hi dawn. Outer planets have to do with things that are beyond our control. Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. It's a nightmare sometimes. Beautiful article!! 08.05.20. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. Is there nothing better to hope for? My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. But yes, the karmic and telepathic feelings are all there. Usually, life will present us with huge dilemmas that cause us to choose between the ego and the soul path. My natal venus is in the 12 th house. Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). They represent different aspects of a relationship. I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. Everything you said is so on point. The examination of two natal charts shows how people interact with one another==how I affect you, and vice versa. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! Im also interested in anything about twin flame relationships. Thank you for this article. *Also in synastry- my Vesta conjunct NN in Gemini are the degree right before his Ascendant. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. As the article says : this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. Any advice would be helpful. Saturn and Pluto also play their part. . Arent these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. Thank you for your answer. It's time for the wave to return to the ocean. Im in hawaii for a month, after he broke up with me for the last time, trying to get my strength and sanity back and assure myself that you should not have to TRY so hard for things to work, when these 12th issues come up to work on. I dont know why but i love him so much and sometimes I come up with things like dreaming of him to call me after a while he calls me. Astrology Symbols, Elements, Modalities, & House Types. What would you say about a composite Scorpio Juno in the 12th house, conjunct to the asteroid Valentine and squaring the north and south node? I dont quite know what it all means but I like what you wrote here and will keep it in mind for future reference: [Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. Most of it is illusions I know.. In Hebrew tradition, Lilith was Adam's first wife. Im sorry, but all of the aspects you mentioned can be used as excuses to pull you back into a relationship that has ended for the other person: in particular, the trines. Dawn, I just found this and it seems to hold some answers about what is going wrong with my marriage of 8 years. How ironic! taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? Please enlighten me.. Usually, when the 12th house is heavily involved, whether it be a natal chart, a comparison, or a composite, the message is to let go. Impossible to comment without seeing both charts. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. Who cares? And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! Im kinda tired of dancing with men who enjoy attempting control and am tired of the endlessly unavailable creatures that keep crossing my path in life. Lilith in 11th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 11th House With Composite Lilith in the 11th house, you can get along swimmingly as friends, regardless of the type of partnership. you are right on target- although I forgot to mention that our trine is in 4th,8th and 12th you are an amazing teacher and your articales on your site have helped me tremendously. Thanks! Hi!! I feel sad about that. ? Keteki says: May 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm . This last chance element, sadly, often leads us to relationships that are destined to exist only to fix this thingwhen the lesson is learned, both these people move on. What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). We are still friends and well always love each other. The Moon/Mars (Virgo) sextiles a close Sun/Jupiter (Cancer) conjunction in the 10th, sextiles Uranus (Scorpio) in the 2nd, trines Ceres (Capricorn) in the 4th, and squares Neptune (Sagittarius) in the 3rd all very close aspects. Yes its probably the case, but as it is unconscious, how could I manage it , or prevent myself from feeling this ? MUCH APPRICIATED- i am forever greatful for your insights. When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. Thank you SO very much for this post. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. Chiron. There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. A recent class in assassins revealed that the victims often had many planets in the shooters 12th house. The story of your inability to connect probably has more to do with your individual chart comparisons than the composite chart. I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. Synastries (especially composite charts) are complicated and if confused (or you feel threatened) you should consult a professional. You cant really know how an aspect is going to manifest without looking at the whole chart, but it is true that conjunctions from the 12th house side are very complex. The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. Its not special, its common. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. Thank you very much Dawn. What you said about compo Sun/Neptune is very interesting Please I would like to know Dawn,according to you it is important to notice what this compo Sun/Neptune conjuncts in each individual charts, to determine more precisely how each person is going to feed this confusing Sun /Neptune by his/her personal points .? IP . They are the lilith wearing an "eve mask". Thank You so much for Your answer! When your North Node is in the 12th house of your partner's natal chart, you will help the 12th house native become more spiritual and grow as a person. I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldnt have done. Black Moon Lilith in 12th house suggests an interest in the occult and esoteric teachings. Lilith in 12th House, Black Moon Lilith In Twelfth House; 1 Angel Number, 1 Angel Number Twin Flame.

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