The SPORTS REFERENCE and STATHEAD trademarks are owned exclusively by Sports Reference LLC. But he was the best pitcher in the AL and probably the best pitcher in baseball for the 1980s. It is a convivial conversation. In his career, he had a 56.4 rWAR, which is 82nd among all starting pitchers, 227th all-time, and comparable among Hall of Fame starters. ", "Your company is friendly, knowledgeable and delivers promises. . You can't just sit down and do that. But I realized at the end of that season that man, it's a lot harder throwing with the stuff I had. Stieb says with a smile. No-Hitters, .avia-section.av-k6v62xgq-c0812a68936ee67ed4883eaa9d35be9b{ "I don't think I even knew how to figure an ERA in those days. [9] But arguably his best pitch was his slider that had a late and very sharp break, especially difficult for right-handed batters to handle. "It was fun to start all over again and make it the same exact way I did 19 years earlier," he said. ", "Dave is the most intense person I've ever met," says his agent. Dave Siebels With: Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band 2022 . It sounds stupid, even admitting that.". "He was shaking his head yes before I said a word. He may throw as many as 20 changeups in a game. Overall, he was an All-Star seven times. I couldnt be happier with the outcome! Theres good news for Stieb, though. All images are property the copyright holder and are displayed here for informational purposes only. Search Details, View Dave's Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, dave****@gmail, View Dave's Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, dave****@yahoo, View Dave's Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, dave****@hotmail, View Dave's Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, dave****@aol, View Dave's Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, dave****@outlook. Stieb pitches quickly, partly because of his restless nature, partly because the fast pace upsets many hitters and partly because his fielders stay more alert when the game is moving along briskly. Eventual triumph. He has good stuff. For nearly two hours, Stieb signed autographs and posed for photos in Vancouver. I never had a lesson. Do you have a blog? ", "Always showed up on time. Selective censoring on Google Inside imagery 'Belt of Orion' by Roger Berry. 7-time MLB All-Star pitcher who played 14 seasons with the Toronto Blue Jays. Mastercraft does a very professional job. A year later he was in the big leagues. ", Stieb pitched at Triple-A Syracuse in 1998 on his way back to the Blue Jays. (405) 947-1643. A Saluki starter was injured. Wear Tuxedos - would be a nice touch", "We appreciate being listened to as our ideas about what we wanted changed. "I didn't like his swing," says Mattick. [8] In 1998, after a five-year hiatus from baseball, Stieb returned to the Blue Jays and pitched in 19 games (three starts), going 12 with a 4.83 ERA.[1][9]. Search Details, 2) Social Media Profiles & More I'd release all that tension and stress verbally. Letterboxd is an independent service created by a small team, and we rely mostly on the support of our members to maintain our site and apps. You do a great job. A mishandled ground ball led to a fifth Yankee run in the sixth. As weve discussed recently, Stieb was one of the best pitchers to pitch in the 1980s. I realize now how bad all that looked. The Vancouver Canadians game is sold out, but he desperately covets an autograph from the evening's special guest. ", "You guys are great. Scores from any date in Major League history, Minor, Foreign, College, & Black Baseball, Frequently Asked Questions about MLB and Baseball, Subscribe to Stathead Baseball: Get your first month FREE. The problem, of course, is that Hall of Fame committees dont generally get too deep into the weeds with sabermetrics. In the next one he'll be a . His story could not have been told with more care. Dave Stieb had 1,669 strikeouts over his career. Question, Comment, Feedback, or Correction? Find out more. LaMonte urged Stieb to fly immediately from California to Toronto and make his peace with a city he had offended in the past with his trade demands. "I like rock and roll and heavy metal. ", "I tell everyone how pleased I am with the job and how wonderful you all are!! We will be calling again for more service", "Your team is sensitive to doing the job right and leaving a quality project", "You do excellent work. Around the time of the book Moneyball, WAR (then called WARP) and Win Shares were invented and I fell in with a group of baseball nerds at a site called Baseball Primer (later Baseball Think Factory) who decided to fix the Hall of Fame's many errors by starting over from scratch and electing the people who really deserved to be inducted, starting in 1898. How easy you made the project and what a perfect job you did", "Keep doing what you are doing! It's also available for football, basketball and hockey. We have tools and resources that can help you use sports data. Stieb's father was a contractor. Well, this is a guy who had never stepped on a pitchers mound in his life until age 20. He ended up winning 158 games in the 1980s, which was. That would look really bad," he says. Do Pattie and Dave want Andrew to be a fireman or follow in his father's footsteps as a starter? Lisa is great! Works (John and Mike) were on time, neat and clean, pleasant to be around and very skilled at their job", "Thanks for seeing the job through to get it right", "Pleased that you were reliable and honest about doing the painting while I was away. I was fortunate to have players around me who could deal with all that. It was cold and wet, not a pitcher's night, and because of the shoddy support he'd received, Stieb had already thrown more pitchesnearly 140than he normally does in a complete game. Stieb's parentsPete, a San Jose general contractor, and Pat, a delivery-woman for the San Jose Mercuryhadn't allowed either Dave or his older brother, Steve, a former minor league catcher, to pitch in youth baseball. But Mattick and LaMacchia had their doubts. [7] After an excellent 1990 season, a series of shoulder and back injuries early in the 1991 season ended his effective pitching years, culminating in a 46 season in 1992 that resulted in his release after the season ended. He struck out against Bruce Sutter. They see their boy out there pitching and say, 'Oh boy, isn't that great.' [10] The contract, including options exercisable by the team, was for a term of eleven years and specified a salary that increased to $1.9 million in 1993, $2 million in 1994, and $2.1 million in 1995. "All he's got on me is two Cy Youngs and a World Series that he actually pitched in, Stieb said. I could entertain a bunch of drunks probably. Javascript is required for the selection of a player. Photo by John Lott. [8] He was awarded a World Series ring after the Blue Jays won their first championship later that year, despite not pitching in the postseason due to injuries. MORE: Who will be the first unanimous baseball Hall of Famer? "I said, 'I've come full circle. Bob LaMonte, who lives only a short drive from Stieb's parents' modest Spanish-style home in San Jose and who was Stieb's high school history teacher and special teams football coach (Stieb averaged 42 yards a boot in his two seasons as a punter). Who he was: Dave Stieb made his only appearance on the writers ballot for the Baseball Hall of Fame in 2004. June 29, 1979 Stieb has heard, by the way, that some people think Morris was the best pitcher of the 1980s because he had the most wins of the decade at 162. These days, Stieb and two partners are building their second subdivision in Reno, where he makes his home. And last year, says Blue Jay Catcher Buck Martinez, Stieb realized, perhaps for the first time, "that he could win when he did not have good stuff. I'm all self-taught from friends and books. They both were clean and polite", "Excellent work from beginning to end. ", "Jesse & CJ went above and beyond expectations. The Jays offered him a shot to return in 1999 and work out of the bullpen. Sorry, the security guard says. Friends come to jam. Maybe he though. Dave Stieb Overview Dave Stieb has been associated with two companies, according to public records. "He was absolutely overpowering. Always a pleasure to speak with Lisa-very friendly! What is Stiebs standard for Cooperstown? Pete and Pat didn't picture Dave as a pitcher. They were prepared to write the prospect off whenwhat's going on here?he came in to pitch. We went through a year every two weeks, one week for discussion (everyone was required to defend all of their votes) one for voting, starting in 2003.. ", "They all make the customer feel that your job is important to them", "Just keep doing what you are doing. He was underappreciated when he played as he, arguably, should have won three or even four AL Cy Young Awards while with the Blue Jays in the early- to mid-1980s. The old battles are over. And after many years of self-imposed separation from the franchise he helped build from scratch, Stieb enjoys coming back once in a while. ", "Was very impressed with how neat the guys were. 19. But he, arguably, should also be a member of the Baseball Hall of Fame. You need a ticket. How Dave Stieb was robbed of the 1982 AL Cy Young award, and what it's still costing him today - The Athletic How Dave Stieb was robbed of the 1982 AL Cy Young award, and what it's still. It's like a beautiful piece of music, played out over one of the longest units of time in any major sport: the career of a dominant baseball player. "I was not going to have all the media, who already heard this was happening, a day later go, 'Oh, he's not doing it.' Butera said Stieb should tell the Jays he was ready to pitch again. Many thanks to him. This is the painting contractor you should contact for your project", "Employees who worked on the job had a good attitude about doing a good job", "Good job as always. TORONTO, ON - CIRCA 1991: Dave Stieb #37 of the Toronto Blue Jays pitches during an Major League Baseball game circa 1991 at Exhibition Stadium in Toronto, Ontario. I am very happy and I dont say that unless I mean it. Very efficient & skilled", "They give you an honest appraisal and you are not hit with any up charges from their estimate unless they tell you first". He is tied with Mike Mussina who, like Stieb, spent his entire career (with the exception of four starts for Stieb) in the American League East. "He has a tremendously competitive attitude. "I'd just settled into an apartment in Syracuse after I moved to Triple A when they called me up. When you balance WAR and WAR7 (which is called JAWS when the two are averaged), Stieb is still very comparable to other Hall of Fame starters. Video Film Room Hub Statcast MLB Network MLB Originals Podcasts. "I feel like I was good," he says. To apply for a job with Ward Construction, please send a cover letter together with your C.V. to: Ward@wardconst.com. For example, Hall of Famer Whitey Ford had a career rWAR of 57.0 in 16 seasons, which is the same amount of seasons as Stieb. "Trustworthy, tidy & clean, professional, attentive to customers concerns and questions. (Photo by Focus on Sport/Getty Images). Bois and Rubenstein are the greatest documentary makers, ever. What a season it was! As a service-driven real estate professional, I recognize people who have the same business ethics as I do and totally appreciate them. The end of Dave Stieb's career was as poetic, fascinating, and shocking as the rest of it. Stieb is also above recent first-ballot Hall of Famers Glavine and John Smoltz in WAR7 as well as Early Wynn, Lemon, Kaat, Hunter, Ford, Don Sutton, and Morris. Dave Stieb's struggle is universal, gut wrenching, and inspiring. He is ahead of Hall of Famers Don Drysdale, Warren Spahn, Lemon, Tom Glavine, Gaylord Perry, Phil Niekro, Steve Carlton, Ferguson Jenkins, Jim Bunning, Robin Roberts, and many others. Stucco, skylights, kitchen islands, walk-in closets. "I've never had a dj vu experience like that in my lifeso many things that were the same. I love how the exterior of the house and cabinets turned out", "We will never call anyone in the future but Mastercraft!" He and his wife, Pattie, have a son, Andrew, who celebrates his first birthday this week. After 20 minutes, professional courtesy dictates that I end the session, or so I presume. "Mark Newman, our pitching coach then, had watched Dave throw a litle batting practice," Jones says. In the next one he'll be a building contractor, constructing houses in Nevada. Baseball doesn't define me now. Ward@wardconst.com. Dave Stief David P. Stief was American football wide receiver in the National Football League for the St. Louis Cardinals and the Washington Redskins. At one point in the Stieb-Blue Jays wars, Trent Frayne of The Toronto Sun wrote, "Stieb often leaves the impression that pitching in Toronto is like playing for the Bangkok Beavers." . SUMMARY Career WAR 56.4 W 176 L 137 ERA 3.44 G 443 GS 412 SV 3 IP 2895.1 SO 1669 WHIP 1.245 Dave Stieb Overview Or write about sports? As weve chronicled here at Call To The Pen in recent weeks, Toronto Blue Jays legend Dave Stieb has been overlooked and underappreciated for decades. On August 29, 2010, Stieb threw the ceremonial first pitch at the Rogers Centre, celebrating the 20th anniversary of his no-hitter game, with the anniversary coming four days after the celebration. He's continuing apace this year; at week's end he shared the league lead in complete games (four) and strikeouts (43) and led in ERA (1.26), while winning five and losing two for a team in third place. He will use any of these pitches in any situation and on any count. He glowered and muttered on the mound. Dave Stieb played for 2 teams; the Toronto Blue Jays and Chicago White Sox. It wasn't the first time Dave Stieb had taken the mound for the Salukis. the most among any pitcher. They kept the equipment well organized. Someone who has been a pitcher from high school on up may actually have more problems. The former MLB pitcher lives here. Stieb fought his way out of a bases-loaded jam in the eighth, striking out Butch Wynegar on three pitches. Yankees ace pitcher CC Sabathia tied his career wins record with his final win in 2011. "He didn't want pitching to interfere with his hitting," says Bessa. Asked to assess the Hall of Fame chances of good friend and fellow 80s aceBret Saberhagen, Stieb pulled up Baseball-Reference.com. Dave Stieb didn't become a pitcher until five years ago, but now he's one of the best, 2023 ABG-SI LLC. But I was good. In 1985, Stieb signed with the Blue Jays what was then one of the richest contracts in baseball. He was an awesome pitcher, Stieb said. This fall, hell be eligible for the first time as a veterans candidate on the Modern Baseball Committee ballot. That showed me something, made me feel even worse, and I already felt pretty bad about the whole thing. More at And when he struck out Steve Kemp to end the game, he fairly leaped for joy. Dave Steib remains the Toronto Blue Jays all-time leader in many pitching categories The Toronto Blue Jays selected Dave Stieb in the 5th round of the MLB draft in 1978. David Andrew Stieb was born on July 22, 1957, in Santa Ana, California. When he took the ball for his first major league start, Stieb had pitched, counting college baseball, a grand total of 216 innings in his lifetime. ", Stieb pitched only 17 innings for the Salukis that season, but providentially Mattick saw two of them, and there followed his recommendation that the Blue Jays draft Stieb as a pitcher. . I was almost reluctant to go." This led to other issues, which ultimately culminated with Stiebs release from the Blue Jays after the 1992 season. Stieb and Canzano talked about pitching at a high level in Major League Baseball. Stieb is relaxed and voluble. I wrote this then: Stieb was a magnificent pitcher, a tragic hero, a lone wolf whose intensity could be as intimidating as his slider, a surly sort who alienated many a writer and some teammates as well He hated to give in to a batter or a writer. He has come so far in such a short time. Logos were compiled by the amazing SportsLogos.net. "Like Lemon," says Widmar, "Dave knows how tough it is to hit. "He's always had good stuff. "Some guys call it being a hot dog," says Milwaukee Outfielder Charlie Moore. On the days when his slider was diving and his fastball was crackling, his stuff might have been better than anybody's. He also says he looks forward to returning to Toronto on Aug. 14 when the Blue Jays honour the top pitchers of their 40-year history in a pre-game ceremony. Genuinely one of the most life-affirming pieces of storytelling to come out this year. He appreciated the chance to close the circle. ", Stieb acknowledges that the brush with Martinez was instructive. Morris had the most wins, but Stieb had the lower ERA and he wasn't even close to me, I think. All Rights Reserved. But you can't be taking chances with those young arms." You are honest and run a professional business", "Service is outstanding. All logos are the trademark & property of their owners and not Sports Reference LLC. ", "Keep doing what you are doing. To his opponents he appeared unnecessarily demonstrative. Subscribe to Stathead Baseball: Get your first month FREEYour All-Access Ticket to the Baseball Reference Database. Friendly, polite and professional attitude. The quality was consistent all the way through, with Part 3 easily the best. Another Toronto scout, Don Welke, had said the boy could run, throw and hit with some power. "He comes at you and has good control," says Lachemann. It is evident that the employees take pride in their work", "The crew was on time and completed the job on time they let us know each day when they were leaving for the day", "Thank you for all the extra hard work in preparing our house so it could be painted. When Mattick and LaMacchia caught Stieb's act he was a .394 hitter for the Salukis en route to a berth on The Sporting News's All-America team. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. 7-time MLB All-Star pitcher who played 14 seasons with the Toronto Blue Jays. HE HAD NOT. [4] Previously, on September 24 and 30, 1988, Stieb had no-hitters broken up with two outs and two strikes in the top of the ninth inning in two consecutive starts. View David Stieb results including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. It's out of my system. "Maybe," says Oldham, "the outfield saved his arm. Southern Illinois University Carbondale (Carbondale, IL). After a short stint with the Chicago White Sox and a six-week run with the Kansas City Royals Triple-A club, Stieb went home to his family. Become a Stathead & surf this site ad-free. That was something else new I had to deal with. David was a major league pitcher when most of his buddies from school were working in Chevron stations. I'm a real competitor who just doesn't deal too well with failure. Dave initially made a splash in baseball as an outfielder, rather than as a pitcher. Later on in his career he developed his breaking ball repertoire, and he became very effective with a "dead fish" curveball[17] that would break into the dirt as the batter swung. 555 N. Central Ave. #416 I said, 'What are you shaking your head yes for? We decided to draft him. . IMDb Stieb, who had the second-most wins in the decade at 140, doesnt think the stat should be the decider. Hall of Fame voting can be brutal in this regard, with numerous fine one-and-done candidates from Stieb to Bobby Grich to Ted Simmons and many others. Stieb began as a two-pitch thrower; he has become a four-pitch pitcher who has mastered the changeup and the curve. Other pitchers, notably Bob Lemon and Bucky Walters, have made effective transitions from positions on the field to the mound, although the switch from pitcher to fielder, as made by the likes of Babe Ruth, Stan Musial and Lefty O'Doul, is more common. }, Cronkite School at ASU The brushback pitch was an integral part of his repertoire to back batters off the plate,[16] and was especially tough on right-handed hitters in this respect. We didn't find out he could pitch until April 1. "He's got a nasty slider." "He's a real competitor." "He's cocky, but he backs it up." Stieb, only 25 and in his fifth season in the major leagues and his sixth in professional baseball, is at the very top of his profession. [3] In later years, Stieb mellowed somewhat, although a fierce glare after a botched play was still not uncommon. Sport as a metaphor for life has been a common theme in Bois documentaries, and here it never is contrived. Stieb noted Saberhagens JAWS rating, the stat created by Jay Jaffe of Sports Illustrated which rates Saberhagen as the 66th-best pitcher in baseball history and Stieb as 67th-best. He goes, 'They use that like crazy now to gauge how good someone really is. He goes, If they looked at that when you were playing, you would have won four Cy Young Awards in a row, Stieb said, noting it would have been 1982 through 1985 when he led for WAR three consecutive years and finished second the fourth. Both Kyle & Travis worked quickly the second day", "Jay youre wise & lucky to have a crew like Danny, Travis & Corey", "Employees are always on time, courteous and do a wonderful job. Stieb pitched to a 2.78 ERA over 12 games in the minors. In case anyones wondering, Stiebs heard of WAR. Sport as a metaphor for life has been a common theme in Bois documentaries, and here it never is contrived. Stieb looked at some of Saberhagens other accomplishments. Peppermill Hotel Casino. Source of Money. Stieb played for the Blue Jays from 1979-92. Every time his team had taken a lead in this long and imperfectly played game, it had found a way to give it back. Stieb is the subject of the 2022 four-part miniseries Captain Ahab: The Story of Dave Stieb, by Secret Base's Jon Bois and Alex Rubenstein; in addition to discussing his career, it advocates for his induction into the National Baseball Hall of Fame based on his accomplishments.[21]. He seems to have it all. Mobilesite. Dave Stieb's struggle is universal, gut wrenching, and inspiring. Wouldnt use anyone else! The edges are smoother. ", "You and your crew are far superior to any other repair people or workers weve had in the past", "You were very professional, very fair in your bid and the house looks excellent", "You did what you said you would do and you did it well, and did it for the price quoted. In 1985, Stieb signed with the Blue Jays what was then one of the most lucrative contracts in baseball. He said, 'I know what you're here for and I think it's a great idea.' Search instead in Creative? I also loved the estimate! He also came to bat that year in the All Star Game when American League Manager Jim Frey ran out of pinch hitters. Dave Stieb, Kevin Boland 3.21 24 ratings4 reviews This autobiography of one of baseball's most outstanding and controversial personalities features uncensored views on salaries, agents, pitching, life on the road, and the pressures of winning and losing. "He thanked me for my apology," says Stieb. . He signs and poses for nearly two hours. Stieb hit only .192 in 35 games for Dunedin that rookie summer, but he was 2-0 with a 2.08 ERA in 26 innings. "The biggest thing to look at is the kind of team he was on (the Detroit Tigers) and the kind of team I was on, Stieb said. "To me, ERA is indicative of who's better," Stieb said. (Age 41-065d) Mattick recalls having heard something about Stieb's pitching, but he and LaMacchia were there to look at him strictly as an outfielder. A few years ago, he joined two friends in a construction firm. He had such a desire to excel. I was a pitcher to be reckoned with, obviously.". A clear, bulleted list of tasks and materials is exactly what I want to see. Very pleased with all your company. The job stayed within budget with no cost overruns", "They met their 4-day job estimate. It wasn't vintage Dave Stieb stuff.". Dave Stieb's age is 65. I realize now I could've had my butt kicked for the stuff I used to do. He was a natural, one in a million. Letterboxd Limited. It's a funny thing, but most converted infielders and outfielders have good control, especially infielders. That winter Mattick took Stieb to the Florida Instructional League to work exclusively on his pitching. He takes the same hard stance with other candidates, even friends. Might be my favorite thing Jon Bois has ever done. Kyle and Chris were not only the hardest workers we have seen, but were also courteous, on-time every day, and took great pride in their workmanship. In the first half of the season, he couldn't make his slider work at all. As we've discussed recently, Stieb was one of the best pitchers to pitch in the 1980s. Search their Arrest Records, Driving Records, Contact Information, Photos and More 1) Dave Stieb's Phone & Current Address And that must be considered one of the wonders of American sport, a true phenomenon, because until that fateful spring of 78, Stieb had never pitched at any levelLittle League, Pony League, Colt League, Thorobred League, high school or junior college. It's that tightness that makes him such a great pitcher. MLB.TV Buy MLB.TV Buy At Bat MLB . The once-prickly pitcher is not angry any more. In the past I have always prefaced my Jon Bois reviews by saying I don't even like baseball, I don't even watch football. Dave Stieb is a building contractor and plays electric guitar. ", "The paint crew was neat, courteous, and professional. And I don't think that's enough to make it to the Hall of Fame.". He had made the big leagues in his first full season as a professional and at a position still strange to him. Search Details, Dave Stieb's Phone #, Address & More JL. Dave Stieb wrote an autobiography in his late twenties, which is unheard of, but it's tough to blame him. A few fans might be saying the same thing, just as they did in Vancouver. In and out in 4 days. He initially retired after the 1993 season due to back problems but after four years of retirement, Stieb rejoined the Blue Jays in 1998, when he pitched in 19 games (three starts) with an ERA+ of 98. Watch. 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